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1 decade ago
Jan 26, 2010, 4:55 p.m. EST
I don't have experience with phase field method but I am guessing that the method does not necessarily intrinsically conserve volume (similar to volume of fluid method). So the logical approach would be to somehow impose a volume conservation constraint (i.e. total volume remains the same). Not sure how it can be implemented though.
Ozgur
I don't have experience with phase field method but I am guessing that the method does not necessarily intrinsically conserve volume (similar to volume of fluid method). So the logical approach would be to somehow impose a volume conservation constraint (i.e. total volume remains the same). Not sure how it can be implemented though.
Ozgur
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1 decade ago
Jan 26, 2010, 5:41 p.m. EST
Thanks for the fast reply. I am just getting into closer acquaintance with this method but I read that the total integral of the phase field function must be constant and for me this is exactly what does not seem to be constant at all. And since the volume is calculated from it the volume does not remain constant either. Insignificant changes would not be a problem, but here more percent discrepancies occur in several dozens of milliseconds of time which is serious.
Thanks for the fast reply. I am just getting into closer acquaintance with this method but I read that the total integral of the phase field function must be constant and for me this is exactly what does not seem to be constant at all. And since the volume is calculated from it the volume does not remain constant either. Insignificant changes would not be a problem, but here more percent discrepancies occur in several dozens of milliseconds of time which is serious.
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1 decade ago
Feb 27, 2010, 3:47 a.m. EST
I am in the process of doing a similar simulation. I have to simulate a single droplet on a flat surface so as to determine the final shape and contact angle with the surface in equilibrium. I have faced convergence problems using the level set method. If you could carry out your simulation, please help. I would keep you updated of my progress.
I am in the process of doing a similar simulation. I have to simulate a single droplet on a flat surface so as to determine the final shape and contact angle with the surface in equilibrium. I have faced convergence problems using the level set method. If you could carry out your simulation, please help. I would keep you updated of my progress.
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1 decade ago
Feb 27, 2010, 6:49 a.m. EST
Thanks for the comment. My final goal is to simulate the droplet in a silicone oil environment and using air instead of oil was just a preliminary calculation. I have found that the level set method absolutely fails to converge properly and a significant portion of the droplet disappears during the simulation. So I turned to phase field method but experienced the same - though to a less extent. Then I found a paper stating that the phase field does not guarantee the mass (an so volume) conservation of the droplets. (Search for the following expression in Google: "spontaneous shrinkage of drops", and you will find it under the first link.) Especially small droplets are inclined to disappear and this problem is more serious if the density difference between the drop and the ambient medium is big (such as water and air). But water and silicone oil have almost the same density and with these I found almost no reduction in volume.
As for the water-air situation I know no solution for the moment. I think it is possible that there does not exist at all, at least if you insist on using finite element method based tools like level set or phase field. Because these tools do not guarantee mass and volume conservation.
Regards,
Daniel
Thanks for the comment. My final goal is to simulate the droplet in a silicone oil environment and using air instead of oil was just a preliminary calculation. I have found that the level set method absolutely fails to converge properly and a significant portion of the droplet disappears during the simulation. So I turned to phase field method but experienced the same - though to a less extent. Then I found a paper stating that the phase field does not guarantee the mass (an so volume) conservation of the droplets. (Search for the following expression in Google: "spontaneous shrinkage of drops", and you will find it under the first link.) Especially small droplets are inclined to disappear and this problem is more serious if the density difference between the drop and the ambient medium is big (such as water and air). But water and silicone oil have almost the same density and with these I found almost no reduction in volume.
As for the water-air situation I know no solution for the moment. I think it is possible that there does not exist at all, at least if you insist on using finite element method based tools like level set or phase field. Because these tools do not guarantee mass and volume conservation.
Regards,
Daniel
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Posted:
1 decade ago
Mar 10, 2011, 6:38 p.m. EST
I have the same problem
I have the same problem
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9 years ago
Sep 19, 2015, 1:30 p.m. EDT
Hi, did you solve this problem? I have similar problem and don't know what I can do. Thank you in advance.
Hi, did you solve this problem? I have similar problem and don't know what I can do. Thank you in advance.
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8 years ago
Jul 25, 2016, 1:11 a.m. EDT
Hey
Did you finish your project?My project is exactly the same as yours. It would be great if you could guide me.
Hey
Did you finish your project?My project is exactly the same as yours. It would be great if you could guide me.