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Undefined value found error on coordinates not existed

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Hi, I am trying to run a simulation of thermoelectrical cooling system. I got an error and I don't know how to fix it because it is strange.

the error message is as follows:

Undefined value found. - Detail: Undefined value found in the equation residual vector. There are 134 degrees of freedom giving NaN/Inf in the vector for the variable comp1.T. at coordinates: (0.0474,0.06187,-0.050753), (0.04195,0.06187,-0.050753), (0.0484038,0.06187,-0.0486638), (0.0504096,0.063,-0.050753), (0.0454387,0.06187,-0.0487679), ...

If you look at my model, those coordinates are not even in my model. How can I trace the problem?



6 Replies Last Post May 12, 2023, 4:19 p.m. EDT
Robert Koslover Certified Consultant

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Posted: 2 years ago May 11, 2023, 9:48 p.m. EDT

Looks to me like those coordinates just might actually be in your model. Bear in mind that Comsol's default length units are meters. If you need more advice/suggestions than that, then I recommend you upload your .mph file to the forum.

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Looks to me like those coordinates just might actually be in your model. Bear in mind that Comsol's default length units are *meters*. If you need more advice/suggestions than that, then I recommend you upload your .mph file to the forum.

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Posted: 2 years ago May 12, 2023, 2:21 p.m. EDT
Updated: 2 years ago May 12, 2023, 2:24 p.m. EDT

Is there any way to trace down those mesh nodes or elements by their coordinate? If so, how?

Is there any way to trace down those mesh nodes or elements by their coordinate? If so, how?

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Posted: 2 years ago May 12, 2023, 2:32 p.m. EDT
Updated: 2 years ago May 12, 2023, 2:34 p.m. EDT

Some error messages occur in contexts where, with a little experimenting, you may be able to select/display the corresponding troublesome geometric locations/feature(s) to be highlighted and/or have the graphics display zoom in on the relevant details. I recommend you upload your .mph file to the forum.

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*Some* error messages occur in contexts where, with a little experimenting, you may be able to select/display the corresponding troublesome geometric locations/feature(s) to be highlighted and/or have the graphics display zoom in on the relevant details. I recommend you upload your .mph file to the forum.

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Posted: 2 years ago May 12, 2023, 3:22 p.m. EDT
Updated: 2 years ago May 12, 2023, 3:25 p.m. EDT

Attached is the file.

I tried to follow the example as shown below:

https://www.comsol.com/model/lumped-thermoelectric-module-with-pid-control-102421

I found that those nodes are on the fins of the heat sink. It seems that their temperatures quickly reach infinite and cause the problem. I have tried to use turbulant flow as well. It did not yield error but also did not converge. Since my model and the example look so similar, I could not figure out what made mine fail to work.

The major difference is that I only simulate half of my model by using symmetry.

Attached is the file. I tried to follow the example as shown below: https://www.comsol.com/model/lumped-thermoelectric-module-with-pid-control-102421 I found that those nodes are on the fins of the heat sink. It seems that their temperatures quickly reach infinite and cause the problem. I have tried to use turbulant flow as well. It did not yield error but also did not converge. Since my model and the example look so similar, I could not figure out what made mine fail to work. The major difference is that I only simulate half of my model by using symmetry.


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Posted: 2 years ago May 12, 2023, 3:57 p.m. EDT
Updated: 2 years ago May 12, 2023, 4:00 p.m. EDT

That's not a simple model and I doubt I can address it all. But the first thing I notice is that your domain #4 "TEC_effective" doesn't seem to have any boundary specification on what must surely be a symmetry-plane face, and I don't see any physics assigned to that volume region either, although you have meshed that volume. (Usually, if you are deliberately not assigning physics to a volume in your model, then you wouldn't normally mesh that domain either.) Might these thoughts help/suggest part of your problem? Also, your mesh looks rather coarse to me, in a number of locations.

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That's not a simple model and I doubt I can address it all. But the first thing I notice is that your domain #4 "TEC_effective" doesn't seem to have any boundary specification on what must surely be a symmetry-plane face, and I don't see any physics assigned to that volume region either, although you have meshed that volume. (Usually, if you are deliberately not assigning physics to a volume in your model, then you wouldn't normally mesh that domain either.) Might these thoughts help/suggest part of your problem? Also, your mesh looks rather coarse to me, in a number of locations.

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Posted: 2 years ago May 12, 2023, 4:19 p.m. EDT
Updated: 2 years ago May 12, 2023, 4:21 p.m. EDT

Sorry, that was some legacy from different trials. I used that domain with turbulent flow before, which did not give me good solution. Then I switched to lump model. I must have forgot the disable that domain.

PS. I tried to modefy the example by changing the number of fins from 8 to 18. It did not coverge any more. I think you may be right, the coarse mesh may cause the problem.

Sorry, that was some legacy from different trials. I used that domain with turbulent flow before, which did not give me good solution. Then I switched to lump model. I must have forgot the disable that domain. PS. I tried to modefy the example by changing the number of fins from 8 to 18. It did not coverge any more. I think you may be right, the coarse mesh may cause the problem.

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