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Initial values from solution

Posted Mar 15, 2011, 4:40 a.m. EDT Interfacing, Heat Transfer & Phase Change, Modeling Tools & Definitions, Parameters, Variables, & Functions Version 4.1 5 Replies

Peter Sohl
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Hi,

I'm struggeling with the same problem for quite a while. The thing I want to do is:

1) Solve a time dependet heat transfer problem with two simple domains (initiated with a different temperature) for e.g. t_start = 0 to t_end = 1 second.

2) Use the solution of step 1 and solve again for t_start = 1 to t_end = 2 second but now with a third domain added.
The new (third) domain has T_initial = 20[degC] and the two other domains should have the same temperature as at the end of step 1, so T = 'T' .

The problem is that on 1 vertex a really low temperature appears without any reason (way lower than any initial temperature in the simulation (see attached figure)). Does someone has any clou how this happens?

Regards,

Peter
5 Replies Last Post Oct 13, 2011, 12:44 p.m. EDT
Ivar KJELBERG COMSOL Multiphysics(r) fan, retired, former "Senior Expert" at CSEM SA (CH)
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Posted: 1 decade ago Mar 15, 2011, 5:52 a.m. EDT
Hi

indeed, not really what is expected.

One thing to know: points, (as edges) take their properties, such as temperature, from an average of the surrounding domains. Therefore it's always delicate to impose values on points (in 2D or 3D) or even edges in 3D.

Could it be that you have a point BC set up ?

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Good luck
Ivar
Hi indeed, not really what is expected. One thing to know: points, (as edges) take their properties, such as temperature, from an average of the surrounding domains. Therefore it's always delicate to impose values on points (in 2D or 3D) or even edges in 3D. Could it be that you have a point BC set up ? -- Good luck Ivar
Peter Sohl
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Posted: 1 decade ago Mar 16, 2011, 10:52 a.m. EDT
Hi Ivar,

Thanks for your reply. No, I don't have point boundary condition.

I actually think I know the source of the problem, however I do not know how to solve it.

Since I add a new domain to the geometry, COMSOL automatically re-meshes the geometry. During the re-mesh (I guess) COMSOL has to interpolate in order to fit the solution as new initial value on the new mesh. During the interpolation something strange happens... because when I try the same without modifying the geometry (so no re-mesh is needed) the effect does not appear.

Could this be the source of the problem and do you perhaps know a way to solve it?

Regards,

Peter.
Hi Ivar, Thanks for your reply. No, I don't have point boundary condition. I actually think I know the source of the problem, however I do not know how to solve it. Since I add a new domain to the geometry, COMSOL automatically re-meshes the geometry. During the re-mesh (I guess) COMSOL has to interpolate in order to fit the solution as new initial value on the new mesh. During the interpolation something strange happens... because when I try the same without modifying the geometry (so no re-mesh is needed) the effect does not appear. Could this be the source of the problem and do you perhaps know a way to solve it? Regards, Peter.
Ivar KJELBERG COMSOL Multiphysics(r) fan, retired, former "Senior Expert" at CSEM SA (CH)
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Posted: 1 decade ago Mar 16, 2011, 12:14 p.m. EDT
Hi

be careful when adding domains or boundaries (= topology changes) as this renumbers all internal id numbers, and your BC and material settings pointing to given Entity ID's might get all wrong, always carefully check all BC's and domain definitions after having changed your geometry

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Ivar
Hi be careful when adding domains or boundaries (= topology changes) as this renumbers all internal id numbers, and your BC and material settings pointing to given Entity ID's might get all wrong, always carefully check all BC's and domain definitions after having changed your geometry -- Good luck Ivar
Peter Sohl
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Posted: 1 decade ago Mar 17, 2011, 3:15 a.m. EDT
Hi,

That's a good point, however, I have a very simple geometry and I checked all the boundaries, domain numbers etc. by hand afterwards, and there was no error in that.

I have send a copy to support.

Thanks for your help!


Ragards,

Peter
Hi, That's a good point, however, I have a very simple geometry and I checked all the boundaries, domain numbers etc. by hand afterwards, and there was no error in that. I have send a copy to support. Thanks for your help! Ragards, Peter
Ana Gaspar
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Posted: 1 decade ago Oct 13, 2011, 12:44 p.m. EDT
Hi Peter,

I am having the same problem you had months ago...

Actually, it is also an heat transfer problem which I have coupled with a PDE module.

I have 2 dependent variables: temperature (T) and hydration degree (xi), which I have to save at the end of each calculation and then input them in the following one.

I did that using interpolation functions (by browsing the .txt file). However, I don't know if this is the right way to do it.

The problem is that when I run the study, there is an error: it finds a negative xi I don't know where and it can't proceed with the calculation...

Have you got any idea of what this could be due?

Thank you,

Ana
Hi Peter, I am having the same problem you had months ago... Actually, it is also an heat transfer problem which I have coupled with a PDE module. I have 2 dependent variables: temperature (T) and hydration degree (xi), which I have to save at the end of each calculation and then input them in the following one. I did that using interpolation functions (by browsing the .txt file). However, I don't know if this is the right way to do it. The problem is that when I run the study, there is an error: it finds a negative xi I don't know where and it can't proceed with the calculation... Have you got any idea of what this could be due? Thank you, Ana

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