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How to model a coaxial cable in AC/DC electrical circuit interface?

Posted Dec 18, 2018, 10:22 p.m. EST Electromagnetics, Low-Frequency Electromagnetics, Equation-Based Modeling Version 5.4 5 Replies

Shant
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Hi everyone,

I' am modeling a configuration of two devices which are connected by a coaxial cable. My model includes both Electrical Currents and Electrical Circuits interfaces: The only problem is the connection between them, I cannot find a "coaxial cable" tool in Electrical circuit interface.

Has anyone been faced with such a task? Many thanks in advance!

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Sh.Arakelyan
5 Replies Last Post Dec 26, 2018, 9:04 p.m. EST
Edgar J. Kaiser Certified Consultant
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Posted: 6 years ago Dec 19, 2018, 5:14 a.m. EST

Hi,

in the context of AC/DC the coaxial cable can be replaced by the equivalent circuit. This is a series inductor, series resistor and parallel capacitors. The coaxial cable must be much shorter than any wavelength in the model.

Cheers Edgar

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Edgar J. Kaiser
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Hi, in the context of AC/DC the coaxial cable can be replaced by the equivalent circuit. This is a series inductor, series resistor and parallel capacitors. The coaxial cable must be much shorter than any wavelength in the model. Cheers Edgar
Shant
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Posted: 6 years ago Dec 20, 2018, 8:00 p.m. EST

Hi,

in the context of AC/DC the coaxial cable can be replaced by the equivalent circuit. This is a series inductor, series resistor and parallel capacitors. The coaxial cable must be much shorter than any wavelength in the model.

Cheers Edgar

Thanks for your comment Mr. J. Kaiser,

the approach proposed by you is very rough approximation for my task, since I investigate the effect of coaxial cable length. Regards Shant

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Sh.Arakelyan
>Hi, > >in the context of AC/DC the coaxial cable can be replaced by the equivalent circuit. This is a series inductor, series resistor and parallel capacitors. The coaxial cable must be much shorter than any wavelength in the model. > >Cheers >Edgar Thanks for your comment Mr. J. Kaiser, the approach proposed by you is very rough approximation for my task, since I investigate the effect of coaxial cable length. Regards Shant
Edgar J. Kaiser Certified Consultant
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Posted: 6 years ago Dec 21, 2018, 4:45 a.m. EST

I would say, it depends. The equivalent parameters depend on the length, e.g. the capacitance for a typical 50 Ohm cable is 90 pF/m. The equivalent circuit can be good enough as long as the wavelength of the signal is much larger than the cable length. If the cable length gets longer than lambda/10 (this limit depends on the accuracy requirements) and you have to take transmission line effects into account you need a different approach.

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Edgar J. Kaiser
emPhys Physical Technology
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I would say, it depends. The equivalent parameters depend on the length, e.g. the capacitance for a typical 50 Ohm cable is 90 pF/m. The equivalent circuit can be good enough as long as the wavelength of the signal is much larger than the cable length. If the cable length gets longer than lambda/10 (this limit depends on the accuracy requirements) and you have to take transmission line effects into account you need a different approach.
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Posted: 6 years ago Dec 21, 2018, 2:10 p.m. EST

Modeling the coaxial cable with several lumps per wavelength will provide a good approximation. For "several"- four is enough, eight better, more probably not necessary. Most accurate will be to use T or pi sections.

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Modeling the coaxial cable with several lumps per wavelength will provide a good approximation. For "several"- four is enough, eight better, more probably not necessary. Most accurate will be to use T or pi sections. D.W. Greve DWGreve Consulting
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Posted: 6 years ago Dec 26, 2018, 9:04 p.m. EST
Updated: 6 years ago Dec 27, 2018, 2:00 a.m. EST

Thanks a lot, for your valuable comments.

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Sh.Arakelyan
Thanks a lot, for your valuable comments.

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