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storing user defined variables values.
Posted May 17, 2021, 5:09 p.m. EDT 8 Replies
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Hi. I'm working on a 3D model where i use many scalar spatial custom made variables (defined under the component1> definition node) during post procesing. Several of those variables are difined with general projections. In some postprocesing evaluations i use these varaibles inside an other general projections and my computer can't get that done. I asume it's because it needs compute the defined variable projection in every postprocesing projection evaluation step. To put an example, i can easily compute genrproj(T*U), beeing T the fluid tempreture and U fluid velocity, and I can easyly compute Ur predefined as U/genproj(U), but if i atempt to compute genproj(T*Ur) the computer get stuck during evaluation.
So i asume that a good solution wuould be to compute these predifined variables once and store its value in the stored solution with the tempreture field and the others dependent variables, but i haven't found a way to do this. This will also help me ploting predefined variables as they take a lot more time than the dependent variables to plot
Any ideas on how to do this? Thanks in advance,
Felipe
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Hi Felipe,
you can try to do that with state variables. They indeed are stored in the solution.
Cheers Edgar
-------------------Edgar J. Kaiser
emPhys Physical Technology
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Hi Edgar, Are states variables available in comsol 5.4? I found this instructive https://www.comsol.com/blogs/how-to-use-state-variables-in-comsol-multiphysics/. But t refers to 5.5 version and i can't find them in 5.4. Or, is there a way around it on 5.4?
Thanks for your help Felipe.
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Yes, this is not yet available in 5.4. Another option that I sometimes used was an extra equation. If the variable you want to store is var1, you would set up a global or domain equation var2 - nojac(var1) = 0.
var2 is then a solution variable and fast in post processing. However, you need to take care of solver convergence and accuracy. This approach actually generates the state variable var2. It is a bit cumbersome, but worked for me in most cases.
The state variable approach in 5.5 / 5.6 is better.
-------------------Edgar J. Kaiser
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Thank you very much Edgar, i tried with domain ODEs with no luck. I'll be upgrading to 5.6 soon
Cheers Felipe
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Hi again to any one interested in this topic. I wanted to give an update on my experience with state variables so this thread can be helpful to future readers. Although this solved my problem, it also incresed the solving time from 1 minut to 15 minuts. I guess its because it evaluates those variables in every step, but i need them to be evaluated only at the end of the study. So to avoid this it is posible to run the study with state variables disable, and put a short step in the study to rerun later with state variables activated. If anyone knows a way to aviod computing state variables in every step i'll apreciate your advice. Also this kind of variable seems to be adimensional, even though the variable inputs are not.
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Felipe,
just a wild idea. I am wondering if it might help to put the variable definition inside an if() statement that branches to 0 for all times smaller than the final time and to the complex expression for the last time step. For example in C the complex code would really only be executed in the final step, but I am not sure which way Comsol handles it.
Cheers Edgar
-------------------Edgar J. Kaiser
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Another solution could be to run a separate study (or study step) where you just do the variable mapping.
-------------------Henrik Sönnerlind
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Edgar, Wild in deed, but I'm working with stationary steps, so i would need to link the if statement with internal iterations. I don't know if that can be done Right now i have 3 physics nodes wich are solved in 3 different stationary steps, 1 to solve the velocity and pressure field. And the others to solve 2 different Temperature fields. The last one is solved realy fast in few iterations , so this one is the reruned one
Henrik, I thought of that, but i would need to disable the state variables from the dependent variable node in each stationary step, and add a last step with al dependent varaibles disabled. I haven't foud a way to disble variables this way. What i found is in the "Physics and Variables Selection" section in the "settings" window of each step you can choose wich modules are calculated during the step. If you chek the "Modify model configuration for study step" box you can also modify other definitions nodes like the traditional variables node, but not the state variables node.