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random vibration analysis
Posted Jun 27, 2012, 9:05 a.m. EDT Structural Mechanics Version 4.3 2 Replies
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Hello everybody,
I have PSD acceleration values of shaker [attached with this post ] and I am trying to apply it on my model, however I could not find a way to enter PSD directly as a boundary condition, so I converted it to frequency domain in order to use Frequency modal study.
The PSD load is applied in the reality as acceleration on the basement of the structure, where usually I have them as a fixed constraint in Comsol model. How can I apply this basement acceleration on my model for the modal study?
I tried to convert them to force by multiplying them with total mass of my structure (I am not sure if this step is correct)
Has someday experience with PSD analysis with Comsol?
Thanks in advance
Ghalib
I have PSD acceleration values of shaker [attached with this post ] and I am trying to apply it on my model, however I could not find a way to enter PSD directly as a boundary condition, so I converted it to frequency domain in order to use Frequency modal study.
The PSD load is applied in the reality as acceleration on the basement of the structure, where usually I have them as a fixed constraint in Comsol model. How can I apply this basement acceleration on my model for the modal study?
I tried to convert them to force by multiplying them with total mass of my structure (I am not sure if this step is correct)
Has someday experience with PSD analysis with Comsol?
Thanks in advance
Ghalib
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2 Replies Last Post Jun 28, 2012, 9:02 a.m. EDT
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1 decade ago
Hi
that is an interesting issue, indeed you cannot input a PSD like that (you could try a random excitation with a LP filter but it would take ages ...
The best I can propose is how you do it, add a frequency sweep (then you are in harmonic mode) shape the input amplitude to follow your PSD shape (take care for the conversion between amplitude, rms and PSD (^2) values).
But then one comes to the issue: acceleration input or body load acceleration ? This is not strictly the same ! Here for the moment I have not found any other methods than the classical "big mass" approach, attaching your device to a large mass and run a body acceleration load case
There is also the frequency domain - modal that could be considered if your model is very heavy
There are a few threads on the issue
PS do not forget to put your eigenfrequency analysis to the solver modal mass normalisation to get the participation factors normalisation, check the COMSOL doc
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Good luck
Ivar
that is an interesting issue, indeed you cannot input a PSD like that (you could try a random excitation with a LP filter but it would take ages ...
The best I can propose is how you do it, add a frequency sweep (then you are in harmonic mode) shape the input amplitude to follow your PSD shape (take care for the conversion between amplitude, rms and PSD (^2) values).
But then one comes to the issue: acceleration input or body load acceleration ? This is not strictly the same ! Here for the moment I have not found any other methods than the classical "big mass" approach, attaching your device to a large mass and run a body acceleration load case
There is also the frequency domain - modal that could be considered if your model is very heavy
There are a few threads on the issue
PS do not forget to put your eigenfrequency analysis to the solver modal mass normalisation to get the participation factors normalisation, check the COMSOL doc
--
Good luck
Ivar
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Posted:
1 decade ago
Hi Ivar,
thank you very much for your answer, I was expecting that you will answer :), great thanks!
I have applied a harmonic force (body load) on "big mass" only, which fixed to ground and I attached my structure on it. Then I checked the acceleration on the connecting surface between the structure and the "big mass" but I did not get the acceleration values that I need. I think it depends on the geometry of the used "big mass".
Another issue I am looking for evaluating the maximum stress on my structure resulting from PSD load. if I succeed to make the frequency modal analysis, I still need to know the stress resulting from all frequencies at the same time. So I though to go further to time domain and make transit modal analysis, but here I do not have information about the phase shift of each frequency, maybe I try to take worst case scenario?
Does Comsol have a way to combine deformations and stresses resulting from different frequencies to gather?
One point regard converting PSD to frequency domain is that how I sample the PSD data, the more frequency points I take the lower the Grms values of each, but I still think its ok, right? I think the sampling must be related to the eigenfrequencies of the structure.
What I got from PSD is 1 sigma(standard deviation) which occurs for 68% of the time, if I need a higher probability I have to multiply frequency magnitude by 3? and then calculate again ?
I had a look on the MPF for the eigenfrequencies, man must be carefull while dealing with remote masses of rigid connectors, because they are not considered automatically in the the calculation of MPF, I had to make small cubes and assign to them material inroder to have them in MPF calculations.
many thanks in advance
Best Regards
Ghalib
thank you very much for your answer, I was expecting that you will answer :), great thanks!
I have applied a harmonic force (body load) on "big mass" only, which fixed to ground and I attached my structure on it. Then I checked the acceleration on the connecting surface between the structure and the "big mass" but I did not get the acceleration values that I need. I think it depends on the geometry of the used "big mass".
Another issue I am looking for evaluating the maximum stress on my structure resulting from PSD load. if I succeed to make the frequency modal analysis, I still need to know the stress resulting from all frequencies at the same time. So I though to go further to time domain and make transit modal analysis, but here I do not have information about the phase shift of each frequency, maybe I try to take worst case scenario?
Does Comsol have a way to combine deformations and stresses resulting from different frequencies to gather?
One point regard converting PSD to frequency domain is that how I sample the PSD data, the more frequency points I take the lower the Grms values of each, but I still think its ok, right? I think the sampling must be related to the eigenfrequencies of the structure.
What I got from PSD is 1 sigma(standard deviation) which occurs for 68% of the time, if I need a higher probability I have to multiply frequency magnitude by 3? and then calculate again ?
I had a look on the MPF for the eigenfrequencies, man must be carefull while dealing with remote masses of rigid connectors, because they are not considered automatically in the the calculation of MPF, I had to make small cubes and assign to them material inroder to have them in MPF calculations.
many thanks in advance
Best Regards
Ghalib