Josh Thomas
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Posted:
1 decade ago
Jul 18, 2013, 2:03 p.m. EDT
Uday,
One way to do it is to make the Young's Modulus and Poisson's ratio functions of temperature and use a ramp function to ramp the values as dependent on Temperature across the phase change.
As the temperature increases across the melting point:
1) Drop the Young's modulus to zero (or near zero to avoid convergence difficulties).
2) Raise the Poisson's ratio to 0.5 for incompressibility (or near 0.5 to avoid convergence difficulties).
So the elements are not "dying" but they are contributing effectively zero stiffness once they are "melted".
There may be other ways of doing this, but this is one simple way.
Best regards,
Josh Thomas
AltaSim Technologies
Uday,
One way to do it is to make the Young's Modulus and Poisson's ratio functions of temperature and use a ramp function to ramp the values as dependent on Temperature across the phase change.
As the temperature increases across the melting point:
1) Drop the Young's modulus to zero (or near zero to avoid convergence difficulties).
2) Raise the Poisson's ratio to 0.5 for incompressibility (or near 0.5 to avoid convergence difficulties).
So the elements are not "dying" but they are contributing effectively zero stiffness once they are "melted".
There may be other ways of doing this, but this is one simple way.
Best regards,
Josh Thomas
AltaSim Technologies
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Posted:
1 decade ago
Jul 19, 2013, 7:35 a.m. EDT
Hi Thomas,
Thaks for your valuable reply. But , still i having trouble over there.
I could not understand your point. can you give some idea
1) Drop the Young's modulus to zero (or near zero to avoid convergence difficulties).
2) Raise the Poisson's ratio to 0.5 for incompressibility (or near 0.5 to avoid convergence difficulties).
can you give me some explanation about your points
thanks
Hi Thomas,
Thaks for your valuable reply. But , still i having trouble over there.
I could not understand your point. can you give some idea
1) Drop the Young's modulus to zero (or near zero to avoid convergence difficulties).
2) Raise the Poisson's ratio to 0.5 for incompressibility (or near 0.5 to avoid convergence difficulties).
can you give me some explanation about your points
thanks
Josh Thomas
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Posted:
1 decade ago
Jul 19, 2013, 9:03 a.m. EDT
You need to make the material properties (E and nu) functions of Temperature.
These functions will "ramp" from the values of E and nu for the solid phase to the values of E and nu for the liquid phase right at the melting temperature. The value of E for a liquid is zero for E and 0.5 for nu. Don't use these values exactly, but rather use some value very close to them. This will help with solver convergence.
Also, when solving for materials with values of nu close to 0.5, under Solid Mechanics>Linear Elastic Material you should check "Nearly incompressible material" -- this adds an addition degree of freedom for the pressure but the mixed formulation is better for these materials.
That's the best I know to explain it!
Best regards,
Josh Thomas
AltaSim Technologies
You need to make the material properties (E and nu) functions of Temperature.
These functions will "ramp" from the values of E and nu for the solid phase to the values of E and nu for the liquid phase right at the melting temperature. The value of E for a liquid is zero for E and 0.5 for nu. Don't use these values exactly, but rather use some value very close to them. This will help with solver convergence.
Also, when solving for materials with values of nu close to 0.5, under Solid Mechanics>Linear Elastic Material you should check "Nearly incompressible material" -- this adds an addition degree of freedom for the pressure but the mixed formulation is better for these materials.
That's the best I know to explain it!
Best regards,
Josh Thomas
AltaSim Technologies
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Posted:
10 years ago
Feb 25, 2015, 12:03 a.m. EST
Hi Josh,
I tried to reduce the Young's modulus to a lower value, but it did not converge even if the change is small. Do you know how to fix that? Thanks.
Regards,
Tianhang
Hi Josh,
I tried to reduce the Young's modulus to a lower value, but it did not converge even if the change is small. Do you know how to fix that? Thanks.
Regards,
Tianhang
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Posted:
10 years ago
Feb 25, 2015, 9:00 a.m. EST
You could continue to increase E_liquid by an order of magnitude at a time until convergence. As long as E_liquid is still much much less than E_solid you should get meaningful results.
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Josh Thomas
AltaSim Technologies
You could continue to increase E_liquid by an order of magnitude at a time until convergence. As long as E_liquid is still much much less than E_solid you should get meaningful results.
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Josh Thomas
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Posted:
9 years ago
Jun 27, 2015, 5:41 a.m. EDT
But the issue is once the element has melted, it should absorb latent heat of melting before melting and its temperature should not increase after melting.
But the issue is once the element has melted, it should absorb latent heat of melting before melting and its temperature should not increase after melting.
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Posted:
7 years ago
Jun 7, 2017, 4:25 p.m. EDT
Hi Josh,
just to manipulate the Young's modulus is not enough ( to set the Poisson's ratio to about 0.5 will have really hard numerical consequences, so to be aware with that!). After melting of the material the element's strain should be set to zero so that the material history will be removed and the strain starts again from zero by the solidification of the part. Unfortunately, there is still not a feature in COMSOL Multiphysics which allows this and as much as I know also not a proper workaround.
Best regards,
Antoni
Hi Josh,
just to manipulate the Young's modulus is not enough ( to set the Poisson's ratio to about 0.5 will have really hard numerical consequences, so to be aware with that!). After melting of the material the element's strain should be set to zero so that the material history will be removed and the strain starts again from zero by the solidification of the part. Unfortunately, there is still not a feature in COMSOL Multiphysics which allows this and as much as I know also not a proper workaround.
Best regards,
Antoni